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“No, time-out. The big picture with changes in technology, potential hacking, all of these things,” DeWine responded.

The interview got more contentious as Tapper continued to insist that the real issue was not voter fraud but doubts about the system created by President Donald Trump’s repeated assertions that he had been cheated out of victory. “This is about lies that undermine the democracy,” Tapper said.

“Jake, you can make that point,” DeWine said, “but I’ll go back to my point that I think is valid as well. And what is valid about it is that we have a lot of people in this country who are questioning this election. That is a problem.”

DeWine added later of Tapper’s placing the blame on the president, ”Not that simple.”

Tapper responded, “It is that simple.”